[ApaTexas] Store front churches

Thu May 15 15:21:09 CDT 2008

All very good and interesting. I seem to recall someone being told to limit
the parking for churches so we can exclude them from neighborhoods, then
when the issue rolled around that person took the blame for trying to run
churches out of town and was fired!  ;) Planning History 105!

I think to it depends on your community and who owns what where............I
would do some deep digging because if a church owns a lot and you try to
change them, you will face the wrath, in more ways than one! and if you call
it public assembly then you run the risk of loosing uses you like. a very
tedious task indeed.
Lisa Sudbury

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Dan C. Boutwell <dboutwell at mprginc.com>
wrote:

>  Mr. Schulte,
>
> I regret you are bothered with the responses.  However, they are very
> helpful to me since we are also addressing this issue with some of our other
> clients.  We would appreciate continuing the 'reply to all".  Perhaps your
> name needs to be removed from the list.
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> Respectfully submitted,
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> *Municipal Planning Resources Group, Inc.*
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> *Dan*
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> Dan C. Boutwell, AICP
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> *From:* apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org [mailto:
> apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org] *On Behalf Of *
> Kurt.Schulte at kimley-horn.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:07 PM
> *To:* knilssen at cityofforney.org; ABuckley at cokercompany.com;
> ktemplin at ci.seabrook.tx.us; fmorris at ci.belton.tx.us;
> apatexas at list.planning.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [ApaTexas] Store front churches
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> While this dialog is interesting my email is crowded enough.  Please stop the reply to all.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Kathryn Nilssen <knilssen at cityofforney.org>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:00 PM
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> To: 'Audra Buckley' <ABuckley at cokercompany.com>; 'Kelly Templin' <ktemplin at ci.seabrook.tx.us>; 'Fred Morris' <fmorris at ci.belton.tx.us>; apatexas at list.planning.org <apatexas at list.planning.org>
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> Subject: Re: [ApaTexas] Store front churches
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>  Yes I agree.  Churches are technically
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> permitted by right in any zoning district but they must follow all other
> regulations.  For new construction, our zoning designates a church to follow
> a Neighborhood Services set of regulations (as well as schools and
> daycares).  Subregs are followed as if the church is a commercial use.  If a
> church goes into an existing structure the only restriction would be the
> number of parking spaces available and of course any building code changes
> if the structure is converting to an "assembly use".  Depending on size they
> may have to sprinkle and that can be an economic hurdle.
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> Kathryn Nilssen
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> Director of Planning
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> City of Forney
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> 100 West Broad Street, Suite D
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> P.O. Box 826
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> Forney, TX 75126
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> 972-564-7300 Ext 186
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> knilssen at cityofforney.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org [mailto:
> apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org] *On Behalf Of *Audra Buckley
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:52 AM
> *To:* Kelly Templin; Fred Morris; apatexas at list.planning.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ApaTexas] Store front churches
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> Yes, I believe Kelly is correct.  The federal government passed RLUIPA in
> 2001 or possibly 2002 and many of the statutes passed since are based on
> this act.  The only legal way that I know of to regulate the location of
> churches is via access and parking requirements.  Anybody else?
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> *Audra Buckley, Planner*
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> *Michael R. Coker Company, Inc.*
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> *2700 Swiss Avenue, Suite 100*
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> *Dallas**, TX 75204*
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> *(214) 821-6105 (v) ext. 207*
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> *(214) 821-6125 (f)*
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> *From:* apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org [mailto:
> apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelly Templin
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:21 AM
> *To:* Fred Morris; apatexas at list.planning.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ApaTexas] Store front churches
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> Fred:
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> I believe the Texas Religious Freedom Act will preempt any attempt you may
> make to have churches abide by zoning.  This "act" exempted religious
> sanctuaries from zoning's locational criteria statewide.  They will still
> have to meet with other aspects of your codes (parking, landscaping,
> building, etc.).
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> It might surprise you (but probably not) that the Attorney General
> proffered up the TRFA whilst in the middle of his reelection campaign…
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> *Kelly E. Templin, AICP*
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> *City of Seabrook*
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> *1700 First Street*
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> *Seabrook**, TX 77586*
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> *www.ci.seabrook.tx.us* <http://www.ci.seabrook.tx.us/>
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> *281.291.5731*
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> *281.291.5690 (fax)*
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> *From:* apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org [mailto:
> apatexas-bounces at list.planning.org] *On Behalf Of *Fred Morris
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:01 AM
> *To:* apatexas at list.planning.org
> *Subject:* [ApaTexas] Store front churches
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>
>
> In efforts to stimulate downtown economic development/revitalization, we
> are looking closely at the allowable use charts. Bail Bonding offices have
> recently been removed and I'm curious if other cities have
> restricted/removed churches as an allowable use by right in downtown areas.
> Belton is the County seat, with the historic courthouse square but we also
> have jail & courts complex.
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-- 
Lisa R. Sudbury '82
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